tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post4366877293713214505..comments2023-11-02T05:20:24.711-04:00Comments on The Oracular Opinion: Governor Jan Brewer Tough on Food Stamp FraudPamela Zydelhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00455065276657597689noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-73552313256144787722010-07-24T14:36:18.180-04:002010-07-24T14:36:18.180-04:00Your the one using Pam's blog to continue your...Your the one using Pam's blog to continue your lies and vulgar attacks.<br />Why won't you just come to my blog(second time I asked)?<br />Don't make it sound like you are just responding to attacks by me, I NEVER ATTACKED YOU.<br />But I won't sit back and not say a thing while you attack me.<br />And others.<br />Seems you like attacking people with cancer.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-7685628213275075102010-07-22T15:00:46.550-04:002010-07-22T15:00:46.550-04:00I don't approve of fraud, but I'm suspicio...I don't approve of fraud, but I'm suspicious of this "crackdown". I suspect it very may well have something to do with the GOP's prejudice against the poor. I think Tom nailed it. It's a political statement. There is a reason Republicans hate fraud when poor people are involved and tolerate it when rich defense contractors are the culprits.<br /><br />As for Brewer's racial profiling law -- it is racist, although the Obama Administration lawsuit seeks to strike it down for another reason...<br /><br />According to AG Holder: "The law effectively skirt's the federal government's constitutional purview over foreign affairs. ...[Holder] maintained that the lawsuit was filed because <a href="http://www.postindependent.com/article/20100709/VALLEYNEWS/100709886" rel="nofollow">the law is unconstitutional</a>.<br /><br />Using the police to go after illegal aliens is a VERY bad idea. Because it will make them targets for criminals, and make it harder for the police to solve crimes (you know, their REAL job). Because they will be afraid to cooperate with the police.<br /><br />You may think that's a good thing, but it will allow criminals to get away with crimes. This is not a good thing in my book -- regardless of whether the victim is a legal or illegal resident -- we should never give a green light to crime.Dervish Sandershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13671865801885224353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-65324427129315726922010-07-19T23:40:19.271-04:002010-07-19T23:40:19.271-04:00The application for Food Stamps used to be a book ...The application for Food Stamps used to be a book thirty-six pages long, asking for information and documentation,(certified), the State of Arizona already had at its disposal.<br /><br />During the time Jan Brewer was a professional bureaucrat, common citizens fought her and her cronies to streamline the process. It was a hard fight, but the citizens won.A signature alone gets you help.<br /><br />Then, the Americans wanted to get rid of the ‘stamps’ issued that were easy to sell. Another dogfight with the bureaucrats. Now there is a card which makes it hard to sell the benefits. Not impossible, but hard.<br /><br />We have been trying for years to bring back the Bracero Program; work nine months here, go home for three months. The Participants remain citizens of their home country.<br /><br />Why does Jan Brewer and the supposed anti-illegal crowd not support this program? They would lose their cheap source of labor.<br /><br />When Dateline News asked Sheriff Joe Arpaio why he chased illegals but lived in a home and neighborhood built with illegal alien labor, Mr. Arpaio got real quiet.<br /><br />One government bureaucrat in Arizona had eighty million dollars in funds to help homeless women and children. Who did he help?<br /><br />His family members. <br /><br />And our women and children wander the streets of Phoenix, within view of Jan brewer’s Office, pushing shopping carts.<br /><br />My point is this: if we want justice, we gotta work for it ourselves.<br /><br />*Pablo the Mexicanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09384415590309803327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-18362641153502388092010-07-15T16:28:07.306-04:002010-07-15T16:28:07.306-04:00I don't believe I was feuding. I was debunkin...I don't believe I was feuding. I was debunking what he was saying. I've never once said anything ugly about his condition. He started the name calling, which I find most on his side turn to quickly when they don't have answers.<br /><br />Notice I didn't call him ugly, an asshole or any of the things he called me and then accused me of impersonating people which I haven't.<br /><br />I simply got tired of his angry rant against republicans alone which has now carried on for two of your posts.<br /><br />If he doesn't want to answer my questions, then there is no argument, but I won't have him badmouthing me and then in the same sentence saying, "Oh, poor me!" Gimme a break. Tell ya what, I just won't comment here anymore and then it can all be a one-sided comment section.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-40435676680248176422010-07-15T15:49:42.671-04:002010-07-15T15:49:42.671-04:00Send em my way Pam. I love a good feud.Send em my way Pam. I love a good feud.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-11178312235854194072010-07-15T15:46:06.777-04:002010-07-15T15:46:06.777-04:00Tom and Blue: I consider both of you my friends be...Tom and Blue: I consider both of you my friends because BOTH of you have always been nice TO ME. What happens between you and/or others is not my business and I don’t want anyone hashing out controversies about other blogs here either. Okay?Pamela Zydelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455065276657597689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-10222612455605428412010-07-14T21:07:08.520-04:002010-07-14T21:07:08.520-04:00Not only were you wrong (why I stopped blogging) b...Not only were you wrong (why I stopped blogging) but you are a selfish egomaniac to think I would stop because of you.<br />You are a sick bastard to make fun of my cancer, which you obviously knew about since you read my blog (you quote it here).<br /><br />What the hell are you talking about? I said I'm glad you are OK.<br /><br />You are a gutless blogger (thank you for stopping your blog) you won't even comment on my blog, which you seem to disagree with so much.<br /><br />I don't need to go to your silly blog when you post here so often and I stopped my blog because I was bored, but I can bring it back if it makes you mad...<br /><br />No sense debating an asshole.<br /><br />Takes one to know one.<br /><br /><br />Yes, I heard about your attacks on Progressive Eruptions (when she had an illness in the family) and on TAO, and others.<br /><br />I knew nothing of her problems, and we've covered this ground. I even told her I was sorry here about her troubles. I don't read her blog very often because it makes no sense.<br /><br />I'm surprised Pam considers you a friend. She impressed me as having better taste than to be <br />friendly with an ass like you.<br /><br />Now Tom...Pam may or may not consider me a friend, but do you really need to reduce the argument to so many ad hominems? <br /><br /><br /><br />Funny how you libs limp like wounded animals when you can't counter an argument. You externalize quickly when you can't control the argument and attack mercilessly until you are countered and then act hurt. Sad, sad, sad.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-74677162938242172522010-07-14T20:13:44.361-04:002010-07-14T20:13:44.361-04:00"I know that you were alluding to the fact th..."I know that you were alluding to the fact that you stopped blogging for a while due to people like me"<br /><br />Not only were you wrong (why I stopped blogging) but you are a selfish egomaniac to think I would stop because of you.<br />You are a sick bastard to make fun of my cancer, which you obviously knew about since you read my blog (you quote it here).<br />You are a gutless blogger (thank you for stopping your blog) you won't even comment on my blog, which you seem to disagree with so much.<br />No sense debating an asshole.<br />Yes, I heard about your attacks on Progressive Eruptions (when she had an illness in the family) and on TAO, and others.<br />I'm surprised Pam considers you a friend. She impressed me as having better taste than to be friendly with an ass like you.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-47048537665725347152010-07-14T19:38:06.710-04:002010-07-14T19:38:06.710-04:00Your a sick bastard !
Am I? How so?
I wont bot...Your a sick bastard !<br /><br />Am I? How so?<br /><br /><br />I wont bother responding to your FALSE points. <br /><br />No false points there Thomas Tank Engine. All are true. <br /><br /><br /><br />You are the bastard who was attacking my blog last year, just because I posted a reasonable question to you about the President.<br /><br /><br />You did? Must not have been very memorable. Besides, even though you are entitled to your strange and uninformed opinions, I don't need to publish or listen to them.<br /><br /><br />Your the angry blogger, who I have been informed attacks everyone, uses fake names, and loves to hate.<br /><br />No you haven't, and I've always only been Bluepitbull even though you'd like the other to be true. I'd love to know who informed you of this. I don't hate, I correct when you are being dishonest.<br /><br /><br />Frankly, the republican party holds no more allure for me, either. But, since you aren't going to discuss my points and only want to rant and lie, so be it. Republicans are determined to hang onto their old guard idiots, just as your beloved demorats are. There are many people tired of this stagnant competition, but since you don't want to talk about it, try not to get so angry at electrons.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-2894329902099021222010-07-14T19:37:54.417-04:002010-07-14T19:37:54.417-04:00What angry rants?
I stopped blogging because I ha...What angry rants?<br /><br />I stopped blogging because I had surgery for brain cancer.<br /><br />Yeah? Glad you're still here (and I do mean that sincerely), and still angry. Earlier you said this: I've had a lot of time to sit with my own thoughts. Thoughts uninterrupted by inane criticisms of those who think I should think like them.<br />It's a personal, alone experience to think and write one's own thoughts; but share them, publish them, then you experience a different kind of personal experience.<br />Of course one chooses to expose there thoughts and opinions. Seeking reactions from agreement to being told your nuts. <br />I'm all for everything I wrote above and enjoy blogging for those reasons, unfortunately I have found a level of immaturity higher than I expected, especially given the supposed adult ages of these bloggers. <br />Too many times it's more like Junior High School antics, and I include some of your readers in that behavior, because of their negative reactions to my simply expressing my opinion.<br />It's a compliment to you, that so many read and comment on your blog; but I don't envy you the childish conversations that occur.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-22884213278218668522010-07-14T16:50:27.407-04:002010-07-14T16:50:27.407-04:00What angry rants?
I stopped blogging because I ha...What angry rants?<br /><br />I stopped blogging because I had surgery for brain cancer.<br /><br />Your a sick bastard !<br /><br />I wont bother responding to your FALSE points. <br /><br />You are the bastard who was attacking my blog last year, just because I posted a reasonable question to you about the President.<br /><br />Your the angry blogger, who I have been informed attacks everyone, uses fake names, and loves to hate.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-14772751420942666182010-07-14T16:41:08.841-04:002010-07-14T16:41:08.841-04:00Pamela D. Hart said...I’m not familiar with defens...Pamela D. Hart said...I’m not familiar with defense contracts so I would sound like a fool writing a post about it -<br /><br />That's OK because Tommy boy knows nothing about them, either. Some defense contracts are in place because it requires techs to babysit sensitive software.<br /><br />I will say this: They need to get rid of contracts such as taking out the garbage and cleaning latrines while in theater. Those are a clear waste of money.<br /><br />Thomas, in all of your angry rants against republicans you fail to understand this about the party you venerate and hold so dear:<br /><br />1. They've divided the country along racial lines and done so for quite a while.<br /><br />2. The social programs do more to give the poor an excuse rather than improve their lot in life.<br /><br />3. They are name callers and finger-pointers as are you.<br /><br />4. They are out-of-control spenders of our money.<br /><br />5. No matter how hard your cronies in the media try to hide facts, people are generally pissed off at democrats and the president and his mediocre cabinet are at the top of that list.<br /><br />6. They've shown their impotence in getting simple tasks done when a natural disaster happens.<br /><br />7. They have divided the country along class lines when the race card didn't work. The rich may pay less a percentage, but they still support the brunt of the tax burden.<br /><br />I can see that you have way, way too much time on your hands, Tom. I know that you were alluding to the fact that you stopped blogging for a while due to people like me. Perhaps if I hang out here for a while you will go away permanently.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-67159815148143023642010-07-13T14:01:36.777-04:002010-07-13T14:01:36.777-04:00The Gov. of AZ is playing politics with this issue...The Gov. of AZ is playing politics with this issue, and so are other Republicans. <br />I believe I stated above your sincerity, and only wished your fellow Republicans would do the same. <br />As I also stated above, fraud and waste should be stopped. I wonder why (after being in majority and the White House for decades-21 out of 29 years) we are hearing Republican concerns about fraud and waste NOW.<br />I believe representatives who vote for social programs DO care about people. <br />Very few Congresspeople make a vote based on one issue, except the recent Republicans who no matter what the bill, vote against it in block to obstruct Democratic policies. <br />That includes the many issues Republicans voted yes on before Obama was elected, now vote no on the very same issue. <br />That's playing politics, but then, they are politicians.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-88791571667708961052010-07-13T13:11:30.094-04:002010-07-13T13:11:30.094-04:00Tom: I’m in no way “playing politics”. However, ou...Tom: I’m in no way “playing politics”. However, our politicians on BOTH sides play all the time and we ALL know it. You show me ONE politician who really gives a crap about a starving person or a person without a job and I’ll kiss his/her butt. They care about VOTES. They didn’t start these social programs because they care—they started them for votes, and you know it. You and I care, like a lot of other Americans, but don’t hand me a bunch of crap that anyone on the hill has compassion! They want to know where their next vote is coming from, not a poor person’s next meal! And that’s why they want amnesty for the millions of illegals—without securing the border first! It’s all POLITICS—NOT humanity! <br /><br />I’m not familiar with defense contracts so I would sound like a fool writing a post about it—but I am knowledgeable about fraudulent social programs. I write about what I know so I don’t sound like a complete dolt. I’m sorry if that doesn’t appeal to you, however, if you have knowledge of defense contracts then by all means, write a post so that I can learn and I will be more than happy to comment. I can say this, though, if there is fraud, and I’m sure there is-- as there is fraud in EVERY government program, then it SHOULD BE STOPPED!! Period.Pamela Zydelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00455065276657597689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-86833948604624488262010-07-12T22:00:30.946-04:002010-07-12T22:00:30.946-04:00"I have to say that Governor Jan "Brewer..."I have to say that Governor Jan "Brewer has impressed me yet again and given me some hope. First with her immigration bill, which proves she is at least trying to help her state of Arizona and its residents, something the Feds should be doing but have neglected for decades, and now with her new program to stop fraud within the food stamp program."<br /><br />I believe I spoke to the food stamp program 99% of the time. I mentioned the immigration issue once, and as you can see, so did Pam.<br /><br />You can't seem to debate without a snide, insulting attitude so bring it to my blog, otherwise it's over.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-30138367650288419052010-07-12T19:39:29.504-04:002010-07-12T19:39:29.504-04:00Tom and my other friends:
What we have here is a...Tom and my other friends:<br /><br /> What we have here is a perfect situation to make lemonade out of wee wee.<br /><br /><br /> Arizonans and Governor Brewer want to enforce immigration law? Fine and dandy. You go tell Arizona taxpayers they need to fork over the money to hold, investigate and deport all these illegal aliens. Tell them they need to raise taxes to build a big fence. Tell the business people who hire undocumented workers to get used to paying the ederal minimum wage plus workman's comp and payroll taxes cause their cheap, undocumented labor days are over.<br /><br /><br /> When Arizonans are told they have to pay the bill for their legislation I imagine it would be quickly repealed.Joe "Truth 101" Kellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08875151516978133598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-26864340064402406712010-07-12T19:38:05.922-04:002010-07-12T19:38:05.922-04:00Pam's post is about welfare fraud not illegal ...Pam's post is about welfare fraud not illegal immigration so this is another case of your attempting to change the subject and avoiding the issue as presented, Tom.<br /><br />thus another example of your fallacious argument.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-2864915167011586152010-07-12T19:23:18.601-04:002010-07-12T19:23:18.601-04:00You obvioously do not understand given your last c...You obvioously do not understand given your last comment.<br />Do you understand that the Constitution gives the authority to the federal (Congress) government for making and enforcing immagration laws?<br />Thought not.<br />You obviously do not understand the insinerity of the the Gov. avoiding the gigantic mistakes of her party, and trying to make Democrats look like their destroying America with her little issue (food stamps) which has had waste issues in every State since the program started. Nothing new here.<br />Check out my new post.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-1236066799801814322010-07-12T18:48:24.924-04:002010-07-12T18:48:24.924-04:00Tom,
ohh i understand politics and poltical games....Tom,<br />ohh i understand politics and poltical games.<br />i also understand the difference between the idea of being a group and being an individual which you apparently do not since you are trying to associate an individual to a group she is not a part of and attacking her for something that the group did.<br /><br />but more important is the fact i understand the difference between State Rights, individual rights and Federal Rights which apparently you have no idea of since you are attempting to get me and everyone in here to accept that there is no division of Federal Rights and State Rights in this debate.<br /><br />i also understand the difference between an argument of emotion and an argument of logic which you apparently do not since you are attempting to use the argument of emotion when an argument of logic is called for.<br /><br />and last of all, i can understand when a person is attempting to change the subject in order to protect his own political ideology<br />rather than addressing the issue presented for his rebuttal if he can.<br /><br />every one of these accusations can be applied to you and proven on this post by Pam.<br /><br />that makes you the one that is playing political games not Pam or the Governor.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-51755115996424763572010-07-12T08:40:54.530-04:002010-07-12T08:40:54.530-04:00She is playing political games to stir up public o...She is playing political games to stir up public opinion. I guess you don't understand that's how politics works. <br />Take a small problem and make it seem huge, ignoring the really huge problems. <br />The Republican party created this serious financial mess we are in, so naturally they want to pick on Democratic policies and claim that's the problem with our country.<br />All federal programs have waste. <br />ONLY the Republicans have built a 12 TRILLION dollar debt and brought America to bankruptcy.<br />Yet the Gov seems it more important to scream at her bully pulpit how the food stamp program is ruining her State. <br />She is playing political games with this issue. I find it sick when so many are in need.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-8507236724753264652010-07-11T18:02:43.898-04:002010-07-11T18:02:43.898-04:00in the sense that you refer to, yes and that is th...in the sense that you refer to, yes and that is the right of every citizen in this country regardless of his role in society. that is the nature of our political system in this nation.<br /><br />but by the job description of her office and the reason she was voted into office was to deal with the problems and to enforce the laws of her State and fraud is a law that she is obligated to enforce.<br /><br />it is the job description of the President of the United States to enforce the federal fraud laws of the nation. so when you use defense contracts which is governed by federal laws as a means to rebut Pam's post you are saying that President Obama is not doing the job he was elected to do, not any governor of a State.<br /><br />fraud is a crime and those who commit fraud are considered as criminals once judged to have committed the crime. and the laws should be enforced regardless of who committed the crime.<br /><br />Pam's post exemplified a person who is doing the job she is obligated to do by law. your rebuttal exemplified a person who was not doing the job he is obligated to do by law.<br />those are the facts.<br /><br />thus it is you that is ignoring facts and playing political games not PamThe Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-10833440130391403122010-07-10T15:02:43.418-04:002010-07-10T15:02:43.418-04:00Of course Gov.'s don't have a vote in Cong...Of course Gov.'s don't have a vote in Congress, but if your saying they don't get involved, stir up public controversy, or raise the poll levels of a federal issue, then your just playing games like the Gov. of AZ.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-3003757672497683362010-07-10T14:27:16.616-04:002010-07-10T14:27:16.616-04:00Tom,
"Right, like Gov.'s never get involv...Tom,<br />"Right, like Gov.'s never get involved in Federal issues."<br /><br />show me a time when any sitting governor has a vote in the passage of any federal law as they do in regards to State laws and you will have justified your rebuttal to Pam's post.<br /><br />it is you that is avoiding facts not Pam.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-87395268681376327752010-07-10T09:04:48.884-04:002010-07-10T09:04:48.884-04:00Right, like Gov.'s never get involved in Feder...Right, like Gov.'s never get involved in Federal issues.<br /><br />She's playing politics with the issue, and I find that sick given the sad circumstances millions of Americans find themselves in today.TOMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02464117691722213136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-639033898235940977.post-4869259475382378812010-07-09T18:53:15.393-04:002010-07-09T18:53:15.393-04:00Tom,
Jan Brewer is a governor of a State thus only...Tom,<br />Jan Brewer is a governor of a State thus only the power and authority to address State issues. Defense waste is a federal issue therefore your argument has no validity based upon the issue of Pam's post. <br /><br />Welfare issues are within the jurisdiction of State authority.The Griperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00937560474548021334noreply@blogger.com